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by crazy4gmat » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:27 am
In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
(D) and set free more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as

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Re: robert carter

by iamcste » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:35 am
crazy4gmat wrote:In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as
(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
(D) and set free more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as

Considered X Y is the right construction

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by crazy4gmat » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:40 am
"setting free the" in A sounds incorrect to me. Isnt it so?

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by iamcste » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:45 am
crazy4gmat wrote:"setting free the" in A sounds incorrect to me. Isnt it so?

We need a participal modifier here and that is provided by A with the correct idiomatic usage

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by crazy4gmat » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:48 am
could u tell why B is wrong here?

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by iamcste » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:51 am
crazy4gmat wrote:could u tell why B is wrong here?

Consider always take direct objects and not "as" or "to be"

hence, the usage is Consider XY and not "consider X as Y"

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by VodkaBoy » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:55 am
Another vote for A)

C), D) and E) are out, b'coz "and set free..." is wrong here. He stunned his friends BY setting free these slaves, however C, D and E are implying that he stunned his friends (by something) first, AND THEN set his slaves free.

The correct idiom is "CONSIDER X Y", that's why B) is wrong.

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by crazy4gmat » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:57 am
Consider always take direct objects and not "as" or "to be"

hence, the usage is Consider XY and not "consider X as Y"

Thanks for this :)

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by niraj_a » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:07 am
A

consider X Y is the correct idiom

also, A is right because although it sounds wrong, the extra 'the' points to the specific 500+ slaves that Carter owned. that's what iamcste means by the need for a participial modifier here.

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by NSNguyen » Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:46 am
emancipation has the same meaning set free.
A is my choice
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by ronniecoleman » Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:11 am
In 1791 Robert Carter III, one of the wealthiest plantation owners in Virginia, stunned his family, friends, and neighbors by filing a deed of emancipation, setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered his property.
(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
Correct
participle phrase rightly modifying the previous clause.


(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as

changes the intended meaning..
considered as ---wrong
(C) and set free more than 500 slaves, who were legally considered as
Wrong...
seems two unrelated work.
..

(D) and set free more than 500 slaves who were legally considered

b] Wrong...
seems two unrelated work.
.[/b]
(E) and he set free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered as

b] Wrong...
seems two unrelated work.
.[/b]

considered as ---wrong
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by iamcste » Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:39 am
niraj_a wrote:A


also, A is right because although it sounds wrong, the extra 'the' points to the specific 500+ slaves that Carter owned.

IMO,

In A, "the" indicates that Robert had specific 500 slaves

Without "the" ans is incorrect as it could refer to more than 500 slaves. Robert cannot free more than slaves he actually had


Is there any specific grammatical rule based on such constructions

It would be nice if one can point me to this rule

Question is from OG 10, SC 154

Can any one let me know the explanation regarding "the" from OG

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by logitech » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:58 am
I would like know how THE changes the meaning as well.

On the other hand,

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as

I know the AS at the end of B is not idiomatic but do you guys think slaves legally considered is more concise than slaves who were legally considered ?
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by pbanavara » Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:59 pm
logitech wrote:I would like know how THE changes the meaning as well.

On the other hand,

(A) setting free the more than 500 slaves who were legally considered
(B) setting free more than the 500 slaves legally considered as

I know the AS at the end of B is not idiomatic but do you guys think slaves legally considered is more concise than slaves who were legally considered ?
From a concise point of view -I have to agree with you - 'slaves legally considered' is more concise than 'slaves who were legally considered' but I guess a comma after slaves will be required in the former clause. So the right concise form would be "slaves, legally considered" his property.
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