numbers of vs the number of vs a number of

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numbers of vs the number of vs a number of

by femkel » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:13 pm
The more I study this, the more confused I seem to be getting.

According to the Manhattan guide, "The numberS of" is almost always wrong, but when is it right? Some forum discussions state that if there is an adjective between "the" and "numbers" then it is correct to pluralize 'numbers'... is that true?

Also, I know "numbers" is correct for comparisons and you must use greater than but not "more than." But what must you use to express a smaller quantity? less?

When exactly must you use "numbers" instead of "the number of"

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by BastiG » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:38 pm
Here is a example when you use numbers:

New Jersey's is one of the five highest number of reported cases of Lyme disease in the United States.
(A) New Jersey's is one of the five highest number of reported
(B) New Jersey's is one of the five highest numbers in reporting
(C) New Jersey has a report of one of the five highest numbers of
(D) New Jersey has one of the five highest numbers of reported
(E) New Jersey reports one of the five highest number of

You use numbers because there is a set of numbers and not just one number. (D) is the right answer. But I think you can't use "the numbers of". There should be a modifying adjective such as "five highest" or "varying".

For example varying numbers:
This month in the journal Nature, Justin Halberda and Lisa Feigenson of Johns Hopkins University and Michele Mazzocco of the Kennedy Krieger Institute in Baltimore described their study of 64 14-year-olds who were tested at length on the discriminating power of their approximate number sense. The teenagers sat at a computer as a series of slides with varying numbers of yellow and blue dots flashed on a screen for 200 milliseconds each - barely as long as an eye blink. After each slide, the students pressed a button indicating whether they thought there had been more yellow dots or blue.

Source: NYT

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I don't understand the second part of your question. Can you give an example?

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by paes » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:59 am
when you use a 'article' before number then 'numbers' is wrong
otherwise 'numbers' can be fine.

A number of students [ correct] : -> numbers wrong

The number of students [ Correct ] -> numbers wrong